Pathways Speaks with Carol Bowman

Pathways Speaks with Carol Bowman
Author of Children's Past Lives and Return From Heaven....

Listen In as Carol shares some wonderful information on Children and Past Live Memories.

Leslie:
Hello Everyone, I'm Leslie Palacio and I'm speaking to you from Pathways Within. I'd like to welcome everyone joining us for our third edition.

Today, we have a special guest joining us and I'm pleased to introduce, Carol Bowman, the author of Children's Past Lives and Return From Heaven.  Carol is recognized worldwide as a pioneer and new voice in reincarnation studies. She has been credited with opened the eyes of millions of parents in regard to the fact that some children easily remember their past lives.  She holds a Masters degree in counseling and has lectured and spoken around the world as well as been featured on Oprah, Good Morning America and Unsolved Mysteries. Carol is also the sponsor of the Children's Past Lives Research Center where she continues to promote research of children's past lives and same-family reincarnation.

Good Evening Carol and welcome to Pathways...

Carol:
Thank you Leslie.

Leslie:
I'm glad to have you and I've been really excited about this conversation. 

Carol:
Well thank you...

Leslie:
I have read both books and the first one I found just full of information; case studies, the information from Dr. Stevenson and some of the others you mention. It was something I had been looking for because I have a lot of friends that were, as you mention in your book when you first started, sort of iffy on this; well tell me about this - I don't know a whole lot about it, etc... so I'm sure some of the readers too are coming from that background so what I'd like to do is step back a bit and ask you about yourself and how your journey began and what led you to the study of past life and reincarnation.

Carol:
I think from the time I was about nineteen, I had an experience which led me to the study of eastern religion and I think I came to the understanding of reincarnation on my own and wanted to check out my experience through the eastern text because it wasn't something that was talked about in our Judeo Christian culture very much in the 1960's, at least not in my circles, so I think I believed in reincarnation in kind of an abstract way at first and
then in the 80's, mid-80's I was very sick with lung problems. I was living in Ashville, North Carolina at the time. During the height of my illness, I had a vision of myself as a man dying of consumption in the 19th century and I thought it was really odd and I didn't really know what to do with that information. Because I thought of reincarnation more abstractly, I didn't think of it as anything personal, so I thought "Ok, if I had this vision of this man dying with that [lung problems] did that mean that I too would die young from lung problems." At that point, I was very concerned but didn't know what to do with that information and the books I found at that time on reincarnation were not that helpful.

Leslie:
Right...

Carol:
So fortunately, I was introduced to a hypnotherapist from Florida who was traveling through Asheville who did past life regression. When I heard past life regression, I didn't even know what it was but I jumped on it and I did a session with him and I saw two different lifetimes in which I died with trauma to my lungs. One I saw, the same vision of the 19th century man dying of consumption and I also, saw myself dying in the gas chambers of World War II. It was a relief to finally understand these aspects of myself, these things I kind of felt since childhood but wasn't too clear about because I didn't really have any context for it. What was really wonderful was after the session, my lungs started healing and started getting better.  In fact, my improvement was so dramatic that a lot of my friends in Asheville wanted to work with this hypnotherapist. His name is Norman Inge, so I invited him back to Asheville the following fall to work with a number of my friends and it's interesting because I feel a lot of this was really orchestrated in my life. A lot of things kind of happened in sequence for me and from the time I did my first regression to the time Norman came back to Asheville, which was about a year, during that time my five year old son developed a phobia of loud booming sounds, which I didn't understand. He would become absolutely hysterical when he was at the Fourth of July Fireworks and another time shortly after that when he was exposed to loud booming sounds. He was due to start school, and I thought, Oh No - You know, where did this come from - What can we do because if he has this reaction at school it's going to be a real problem. So when Norman the hypnotherapist and I were sitting around talking, I mentioned Chase's, my son 's name is Chase, Chase's phobia to Norman thinking Norman being a hypnotherapist could give Chase a post hypnotic suggestion so the next time he was around those loud sounds he wouldn't be terrified. Up to that moment I had absolutely no idea that children had past life memories but I was greatly surprised when Norman said to my five year old, close your eyes and tell me what you see when you hear the sounds that frighten you and he (Chase) went into a lengthy description of himself as an adult soldier on a battle field. I was shocked to hear him talking so seriously of himself in this different persona and he went on to describe the battle field, the battle, his feelings being there and I knew this was nothing he had seen on Sesame Street or Mr. Rogers. This recollection was that after the session not only did his phobia of loud booming sounds go away which we attributed to the sounds on the battlefield. It became obvious that these sounds triggered his terror of being in battle and actually, he died in battle in that lifetime. Not only did his phobia of loud booming noises go away but he had chronic eczema on his right wrist since he was a baby. Which had not responded to medical treatment and we tried quite a few different types of treatments. During this recollection, he talked about how he was shot in his right wrist and they had taken him to a field hospital and bandaged him. 

Leslie:
He used the term field hospital?

Carol:
No, he said hospital but he described poles in the ground with some material covering it and he said they put me on a bed. It was not a regular bed but a hard bench. From his description and from later recollections we pieced together that it was a field hospital that he was accurately describing.  After he recalled being shot in the wrist and the other details of that lifetime his eczema completely disappeared within a few days. So not only did he have some kind of emotional healing from remembering but he also had a physical healing which amazed me. This is the short version of this story but from that point on, I became absolutely fanaticized by what happened with my son and I started asking other parents at my children's school if they had ever run across these memories in a child because they appeared to be so close to the surface. Other parents did say, Yeah, my daughter made a remark about when I was big I used to do this or that and I started collecting stories and I began my research very informally and as time went on I got a little more serious about it and trained in hypnotherapy and learned what I could about past life regression. At some point, I started seeing patterns in the stories I was collecting. I saw that children could have spontaneous past life memories when their very young, usually up until the age of 5 and they are very matter-of-fact when they talk about their other lifetimes. They  speak very matter-of-factly of how they died in a past life and quite often they would have behaviors or even physical characteristics that corresponded to something that had to do with the past life memory. For example in my son's case, he remembered being shot on the battlefield on his right wrist and he had the chronic eczema on that spot in this life.

Leslie:
Did you see quite a few children or individuals with that scenario where something physical was showing up?

Carol:
Yes and during the coarse of my research, I discovered the work of Dr. Ivan Stevenson who was at the University of Virginia Medical School. He had been documenting cases of children with spontaneous past life recall since the early 60's and he has documented almost 3,000 cases from around the world of children who remember their past lives so his research gave me a foundation to stand on when I was investigating American cases. Most of his cases are from Asian countries, where the parents are more likely to talk about these memories and recognize them but I was finding cases right in my backyard, here in the United States.

Leslie:
That was going to be one of my next questions, what are some of the tell-tale signs that you run into with your research or that you found that would assist parents in discerning if their children are experiencing or are saying things that may be related to a past life rather than just a growing up fear. 

Carol: 
Well, I think the age at which children will start speaking or expressing these memories is a key and usually the children are 2, 3 and 4 years old, when they talk of being "big before" or "I want to see my other family" and they are very matter-of-fact when they talk about these things. They don't use the same tone of voice as they would in talking  about a fantasy. When children are fantasizing they usually have this lilting, little sing-song quality to their voice but with memories they are very matter-of-fact. They're very serious and direct. They act as if we should know exactly what they are talking about because they remember, so why don't we remember and they're very consistent with their stories. Sometimes a 2 or 3 year old will talk about a past life memory once or if they talk about it over time they can talk about it for a year and a half to two years and each time they talk about it, it is exactly the same story but as they acquire a larger vocabulary, they'll elaborate on the story, same story but they'll add in more details. They can have corresponding emotions to what they are experiencing, sometimes for example, a child will get very sad when talking about another family. They miss their other family so there is this emotional component too. I think one of the most obvious signs is when a two or three year old is talking about something they couldn't possibly know about in their two or three years of experience. I have a case right now of a little boy in Louisiana, whom started having nightmares at age two and would wake up and say, "My plane it crashing, My plane is crashing" and over the next two years, he is now four, he told his parents that he was a pilot that he flew a Corsair, which was a WWII fighter plane and he knew incredible detail about the Corsair, which the father later verified through a technical book put out by the Navy on the Corsair. He seems to know a lot about flying and there is just no way he could have learned this any other way because the parents didn't even know this information. That is one of the most obvious signs when a two or three year old is telling you in great detail what it is like to be a fighter pilot in WWII. This is not fantasy or something they could  see on a movie because it's really integrated in their personality and it shows up in their behavior too.

Leslie:
Do you find a lot of these children remember after that age window 2, 3, 4 and 5 on up a little bit or do the memories slowly start to fade?

Carol:
They usually fade. In most cases, after a child talks about a past live memory, you may go up to them and say - can you tell me about when you were a pilot and they'll look at you like they don't even know what you're talking about. The memories seem to come from them in their own time and it 's really difficult to even invite a child to talk about them. It is something that seems to naturally come from them.

Leslie:
Do you find that certain things in the people that have spoken to you, have had situations that triggered it. Like the noise you mentioned with Chase? 

Carol:
Yes, In Chase's case the loud sounds reminded him of the battlefield experience and actually that is a really common phobia. I've heard from a lot of other parents whose children have been triggered by Fourth of July fireworks and then the child will start talking about their experiences in a war or children who, I've had multiple case of, children who at 2 or 3 hear an airplane flying over head and start shrieking about the bombs, the bombs that are coming. A lot of different things can trigger these memories.

Leslie:
When you have a parent that comes to you and they feel their child is having an experience like this and is remembering, either feelings, actions - definitely fears and other phobias, what do you recommend as the best coarse of action to be able to support them and work through this with them?

Carol:
If nothing else, just allow the child to talk. Don't squelch the child or dismiss what the child is saying. Listen with an open mind and ask open-ended questions such as, "Well then what happened?" "Well how did you feel about that?" "What was it like being a pilot?" And let them talk about it because sometimes the child needs to process the memories from another lifetime. Sometimes they have disturbing memories and by just allowing them to talk about it - it puts the memory to rest and it really helps the child get some closure or find some peace with the memory.  

Leslie:
What happens when the memory comes with a lot of fear to the point you have the tears or the fear to the point of immobilizing and they talk just enough and the reason I'm asking this is my daughter was this way when she had one happen. She had the memory and then the fear set in and before she could even finish talking and she has not been around knives or anything of that nature, but her fear was of knives and being thrown in a lake. She said, Please don't let them through me in the lake again. Then it was just tears and you try, what happened next and other statements trying to assist. Now she is older. She had a memory when she was younger but this has happened fairly recently.  

Carol:
How old is she?

Leslie:
She is eight.

Carol:
And she is not current with it any longer? I mean, she doesn't remember it now?

Leslie:
She does remember it now and it's strange, it's funny what things will trigger it - usually it is anything violent on the news or on TV. What triggered it recently and it's been a long time and I thought actually the last conversation we'd healed and it was behind her but my son, who is 14, happened to turn on the TV and A Green Mile was on and we don't normally watch things like that but he was really involved with a gentleman that was a healer that had caught his attention and there were two little girls who were taken near the beginning and it doesn't even show them getting taken and she missed that whole part yet she put two and four together and it was turn it off, turn it off and immediately we left the room and started talking about it because she said, don't let them do that. I didn't do anything. I really didn't do anything to make him do that to me. Then you get to the fears, so that was my question because I thought I'd asked the right questions to help her with it but it seems that she still holding that fear.  

Carol:
Well, at eight it might be a little more difficult for her to process than if she were three.

Leslie:
Right...

Carol:
Have you discussed past lives with her, because sometimes the best approach is to be just very straightforward.

Leslie:
Actually, I did that this last time when I took her and we sat down. I started talking to her and said sometimes you know you have memories and I started drawing pictures of her now and then what might have been images from the past as well as things that happened now that made you think back and she began to start to understand and I think I made headway...but we never know until something happens. Let's see we've had 2-3 instances of that and like I said, it was a real surprise because she was like that a lot more when she was little.

Carol:
Right...

Leslie:
With Fear to that extent, she too has a memory of being in a concentration camp. With that fear, she more quickly put two and four together, and seemed to; I don't know that she necessarily let it go, but she hasn't discussed that since. However, this one surprised me because she does swim, not well, but she said, I can't swim - don't let them throw me in the lake. 

Carol:
There's your clue right there, don't let them throw me in the lake.

Leslie:
Right...

Carol:
You know, if she were little and you can still do it at this age but I think what you did with the artwork was really good. You know, first showing or explaining yes we do have these memories and sometimes we remember things that are very painful from other lifetimes and maybe invite her to talk about it if she can or draw it. At this age she could draw what happened and that is a little more indirect and she could get it out that way. At least it would be brought to a conscious level.

Leslie:
One of the other questions I was going to ask, is because I think she is a little bit of a different case and this is why I wanted to ask. Have you ever worked with children that have shown physic or intuitive abilities?

Carol:
Most of these children do have physic or intuitive abilities.

Leslie:
And the reason I say that is Dakota, from the time she was about two and a half has channeled and spoken to other people and, as a matter of fact she speaks to AA Michael. To be honest at first we didn't know who Michael was, it was just Michael, Michael, Michael and we asked all around is there a Michael at church, at playschool, etc... but we couldn't find a Michael anywhere and one day she came running down the hall and she was about 3 1/2 and she looked at me and she said, Mommy, Pop's going to get sick and go live in Heaven. Three and a half weeks later my grandfather died and she's done this with countless other people with good news and bad news. Her fear right now is, is it past or is it going to happen and I think that is why we are having a had time letting this one go because she is having trouble discerning because she doesn't understand whether it is coming or it's been.

Carol:
Well I think you should approach it as a past life memory.

Leslie:
Oh we have, but I wanted to know if you have had any studies in this area or seen children like that?

Carol:
A lot of the children who do have past life recollection also have some psychic ability. They appear to be telepathic with their parents.  Sometimes, just like with your daughter, they know of events that are about to happen. That is a little tricky and I really don't know what to say about that and would suggest you speak to someone that is a psychic about that. So they could best direct her and assist her with that so she doesn't loose it and she can also use it in a way that is not frightening to her.  

Leslie:
Right... well, she is done that, I've spoken with a number of people and like I said this has happened more recently with her but she has experienced things early on like you said in that age window. 2 to 4 - 5 and it come up she stated it and we saw the phobia and as soon as she discussed it - it was gone. That is why when this one popped up, you know...we thought "oh, we've done this before and we'll just talk our way through it." Then when she come up with that it sort of caught me off guard. 

Carol:
She is older and when they are older it takes a little more work to get them through it. It is almost like when they are younger it is much easier to work with some of these memories and it's really important to let them know that it was a different lifetime and to assure them that they are now safe and that won't happen again.

Leslie:
That is the immediate thing I told her, I said, Look where you are at, you're safe, it's now and she made the statement and I'm fine if I'm watching TV or I'm at school or I'm doing something. She said, but when it gets quiet and it surprised me it wasn't bed time or anything like that. It was just when things get quiet and stop, I just feel like somebody's coming up behind me and I don't like it. So I see the standard phobia starting and that made me wonder.

I also wondered, just on a level for other people, If you have a young child that is experiencing this and you have one parent that does and one parent that doesn't, what have you run into as far as people that don't necessarily support the view of reincarnation trying to work though the memories like this. 

Carol:
If they are not into reincarnation, they wouldn't look at this as a reincarnation.

Leslie:
I'm talking about, one parent. I had someone contact me recently that was a parent that was experiencing this and had family that wasn't supportive, and the child was (sort of working through memories like this.) and I didn't know if you had any general ideas about how to approach it with out it being viewed that way.

Carol:
I would say talk to the mother, because it is usually the mother who is into it.

Leslie:
That's right...

Carol:
Talk to the child, and be very direct with the child and talk to the child, because it is more important that you do it, maybe behind the fathers back, but you've got to help the child if you recognize there's a problem in this area. Put your beliefs aside and just work with it as if it were a memory.

Leslie:
Right....and one of the questions...

Carol:
It's not going to harm anyone to talk about it

Leslie:
Did you run up against that...against people that didn't necessarily believe in this course of study.

Carol:
Well, I think, in the cases of reincarnation in the same family, most of the families I talked to had no prior belief in reincarnation until they were convinced that their two year old was really the reincarnation of grandpa.

Leslie:
Right...

Carol:
And I think that was the most surprising thing, when someone discovers reincarnation in a child or reincarnational memories I should say, like in my son, he was a civil war solder, well that's a little remote. It was amazing, it was interesting, but it's not like discovering...

Leslie:
It's not like that personal connection...that everyone in the family has...

Carol:
Right...and that, more than one person in the family recognizes it and sometimes they are afraid to say anything to another family member for fear that the other family members will think they are crazy, but it's probably a lot more common than we know.

Leslie:
Oh yeah...what I wouldn't have given for your book back, before she was born, and my son started a little bit of this, and she came in "lights, camera, action", with many things along that level. One thing I noticed in your book, that here again, we've experienced to some degree was, we had a visitation type thing from Dakota, prior to her being born, that involved the Christmas tree, and I'm going to share that story actually, underneath yours because I just feel that, people need to hear it, but the thing that happened with that was that she wasn't even in the planning. I had miscarried twice, between my son and her, and the ball on the Christmas tree, just one, no air vents, not anything, would spin, back and forth, just as fast as it could go, finally to the point I screamed "Stop it!!". At this time I wasn't really open, it made me a nervous wreck, because my mom and I were both there, and when she was about 2 1/2 she started and every Christmas, to this day, and she doesn't even know it. I haven't even said anything to her, because it is something that we hold as a treasure, but she will go and spin one ball on the Christmas tree and will stand there and watch it, with it going back and forth, until it stops, then she will go to the next one.

Carol:
You know, how many times does stuff like this happen, Leslie, and the parents just...

Leslie:
They just over look it...I think that is the big deal, and that's why I wanted to get with you, because I would have given anything to have this book just for the facts and to know. At first I thought, "Am I crazy?", "Is this really happening?", "Am I really hearing this right?", things like that, and I think the best thing, and I think you've done a wonderful job documenting it and trying to get it on a level that people can understand it.

Carol:
I think what you experienced and other people experience too is that every case is different. Every parent has to be a pioneer in this. Take the basic information and apply it the best you can to your individual situation and use your intuition. I put parents intuition up there as the best tool on the list, for dealing with this, but just understanding the basics that some children don't know that they've made the transition from death. That sounds hard to believe, but...

Leslie:
Or they brought the issue with them...

Carol:
Exactly...they're still with it and they have to make that separation, they have to be able to talk about it or, with an eight year old, have her draw it, which is artwork, have her write a story or have her dictate a story to you..

Leslie:
Well, it's real funny, because, Dakota is, like I said, she is intuitive enough that she, the teacher, it happened at school, she started feeling this way, and the teacher asked her what was wrong, and pretty much cornered her to get her to talk, and Dakota just refused to talk, and she said, I can't go there. And it was real odd that she made that statement, and she used those words, "I can't go there yet", so, they are, I think, more aware and you can approach them direct, I just...

Carol:
To know it's safe to talk about it...and tell her it will make her feel better to talk about it or draw it. Just to get it out. Tell her, it's been bothering her, she came in with it, just tell it straight, tell it like it is. What I think I learned from my son when he was five, was that you can tell it exactly as it is. This is a memory from another lifetime, we live many different lifetimes, and just to work with the feelings about it is okay. You don't have to carry that around anymore.

Leslie:
Right...and one of the things I've always said is whether you believe in reincarnation or not, it's a fear you've got to deal with it because it's very real.

Carol:
And you could say that to the parents, in the situations where one parent believes and one doesn't.

Leslie:
Right...

Carol:
Well, in private, just say something. It's not going to hurt the child, it could help the child. Just use your discretion, don't say it in front of the grandparents who would have a fit.

Leslie:
Oh, see, my mother was raised in the old school, and it took several instances of this and finally she looked at me one day and Dakota did that, riding to school, she had tears all of the sudden, a very happy child, riding in the car, and boom, all of the sudden it was there, and she was "What's wrong" and it was "Don't let them throw me in the lake". Of course, grandma comes knocking and says "What's going on? Explain this to me." It was real funny, because when I got your book, I got up to answer the phone and I went back and was reading "Return from Heaven" and I come back and she was into the second chapter, going "No, I want to read it." She said she wished she would have had this about 8 1/2 years ago, and I said "Oh yeah, I know. I'm going to tell her that"

Carol:
Well, actually, the reason why I wrote the first book is, and I think I said it somewhere, was because I wanted the book, when my children were going through it, and I wanted a book that explained what happened with my son and actually my daughter had a memory too, she had a phobia which was cured rather quickly through the same methods, just by remembering. So, I wrote the book because I wanted the book.

Leslie:
Well, I think that and I think the idea of not feeling like you are standing there all alone, and your children down the road may experience this with their children, and the information is there and that's why I'm glad that you did it, and I'm glad that other people are stepping out there on these newer fronts, and making this transition and letting people know that "Hey, it's okay to go there", because you don't want to see them carry things like this on into their older years.

Carol:
Exactly.

Leslie:
I'm like you, I had to be in those shoes without a lot of information, I had to go to the library and start digging and, of course, I've got a big mouth, so I just jumped out and started yelling for help, literally, in all kinds of directions, and I had to discern the information I got. Some I value, some I didn't, but I tried not to judge it and to let that information come on in and I really did find a lot of valuable information that way, from people that have come in and that is how I got through it. One of the things that I found too, was talking about children coming in, what have some of your children said about miscarriages, abortions, choosing parents, things like that? There is a lot of women out there that really worry about this issue and I think it is just fascinating what these kids are saying, and maybe that will relive somebody's heart if they hear some of what you had said in your book.

Carol:
Well, feel free to put in any excerpts from that chapter from "Return from Heaven", but basically the soul is indestructible. If the physical vehicle for the soul, the body, is destroyed through miscarriage, still birth, or abortion, that soul still exists and can come back as another child with the same mother at a later time, or come back to another family member. It works both ways, sometimes it's the incoming soul who decides to back out for, who knows what reason, maybe it isn't the right time, or the fetus is the wrong sex, or they detect that they are taking on too much at that particular time and those particular circumstances, I don't know, but it's apparently, from what the children say, they can change their mind. So there are children who remember trying to come in at another time and either they changed their minds, or the mother change her mind. And I have at least two cases in the second book, with children that remember being aborted fetuses. So, make your own judgment about that...

Leslie:
I'm sure they would. I found it really interesting that the children do remember and they do have a choice. I think one of them that fascinated me was, I don't even remember the name now, but it was "I tried to come, but, so and so was already there."

Carol:
I don't even remember...I changed the names in the book, but, the one with the cousin?

Leslie:
I think so, I think that was it, where they always wanted to go to their uncles house...

Carol:
Right, since they were actually the twins that the aunt had miscarried at the end of the pregnancy and they went to the sister-in-law instead...

Leslie:
Right, and they didn't understand why that wasn't mom and daddy and they couldn't go live there. I thought that was a perfect example of coming that way. It's real interesting, it's real fascinating, what they will say. I would like to ask you just a couple of general questions to close here that I ask most of my guests, just because I'm very fascinated with it.

What brings you the most joy?

Carol:
What brings me the most joy...in life? My children.

Leslie:
What do you think has been your greatest teacher?

Carol:
My children.

Leslie:
(Laughing) And...who do you admire or who has inspired you the most in your journey?

Carol:
Who has inspired me most...I think there are multiple, there's no one person, there's a list...Dr Ian Stevenson, Ian and Betty Valentine the publishers, Norman Inge, the hypnotherapist, I can't even think now, there's just been so many people I've meet along the way, who kind of took me to the next level, my friend Becky Canon in Ashville, she gone off in her own direction and has been very successful, just different people. Cathy Skye, one of my friends from Ashville who is a very creative person. I draw a lot from a lot of different people.

Leslie:
That's great. I'm just always interested in who people admire that are doing work such as this that allowed them the courage and the ability to stand out...

Carol:
I guess I have to add Raymond Moody, too. His "Life after Life", was, basically a simple book that described the new phenomenon, it wasn't a new phenomenon, but it was the first anyone described it quite succinctly, in that way. It really clarified what was going on.

Leslie:
What's been your biggest challenge?

Carol:
Writing (laughing)

Leslie:
Writing...that's something that I always laugh about. They pick on me, they call it promise language. I'm dyslexic actually, and so writing is a huge challenge for me and when asked to do the magazine, and sort of guided to do that, I really had to tug some strings of friends and other people and say "HELP!", you know, because I can't write in promise language.

Carol:
Yeah, it's, writing is difficult, unless you're a Hemingway...

Leslie:
Oh yeah. Well you did a wonderful job.

Carol:
Thanks...with a lot of help...

Leslie:
Well I loved the first book, and it gave all the information, but I really, my very very favorite, I have to be honest, was "Return from Heaven", because of the family connections that you experience, and it's so true. 

I would like to close real quick with hearing a little bit about your research center and how anyone that has an experience such as this can get in touch with you.

Carol:
The research center is really the web site and the reincarnationforum.com.

Leslie:
And what is the web site.

Carol:
childpastlives.org, and I'm not really active in that right now, just because I'm working two jobs and I have moderators at reincarnationforum.com and they've been fantastic. There are about 6 moderators and the field questions and they fill in where I can't.

Leslie::
Wonderful, at least people can find you in that way.

Carol:
Yeah, and they can get help there too, or just find support.

Leslie:
Right, and that's how I found you, I actually found you through one of your moderators on your board...

Carol:
They're great...without them, there wouldn't be a board, because I just can't do it anymore. There's just too much to do. I can't even keep up with my e-mail.

Leslie:
I think it was Debra that helped me contact you. You need to give her a big hug because I loved the conversation.

Carol, it's been a wonderful conversation...

Carol:
Thank you, Leslie

Leslie:
And I want to thank you real quick, on behalf of pathways, as well as my self for sharing with us today.

Carol:
Well, keep up the good work.

Leslie:
Oh...thank you and I wish you blessings on everything to come. Bye.

Carol:
Thanks, bye.

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